New Phone Call 9/29 – Warning

@mike You and I may want to take that OSDM call after our interview a few weeks ago more seriously. It’s mentioned in the podcast, but in light of so much activity, there may be more behind it. I took it lightly, almost as an apology for someone accidentally calling me. Kinda wish we had not mentioned it publicly.

Kinda wish we had not mentioned it publicly.

No…it NEEDS to be publicly said. They can burn and shred a paper trail, but they can’t delete a podcast from everyone who has heard it. If something goes down, we need it documented and we need people to know what lead up to things.

Okay, valid point. I’m just a little jumpy with some of the recent things being said and after a couple of the interactions I had within Ascension. Dammit. Normally, @mike you know I’m not paranoid.

Oh totally @reaton – I know you’re never paran…..hey why is that guy staring at you?

You ain’t alone Mumu 😉

My only question to those that stand with the BOS…and there are many….is this:

If the ODSM is gone, what will you do? Will your fires spread to engulf the whole of the OOA?

To me, that is where I believe we differ. Once the ODSM is gone….if the war continues….then I will do whatever I can to extinguish the fire of the BOS. The OOA is to me, a home.

So why would I let anyone try to destroy my home?

Never forget this piece of advice –

“Lesson to the class- support that which you built. You constructed this, not us. Always defend that which is yours. ”

You stand by and defend what you believe in @mumumusings

Granted, BoS will also defend what they believe in…hence…waarrrrrrr

@mike…..let me ask you..

Is the OOA the disease? Or the ODSM?

If it’s the latter, shouldn’t we take a scalpel and remove it as cleanly as we can to ensure the infection doesn’t spread?

Or will you believe the entire body to be infected and that to save it, it must be destroyed?

Short but sweet, this is my understanding: Addison made the conclusion that the OOA was trying to hide the true words in the Book of Anoch, therefore she was trying to protect them. ODSM moved under the OOA’s orders to try and stop her from revealing too much to the apostles, why? Because like she said: The OOA is corrupt.

Still standing with BoS over here.

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It seems to be the other way around, with ODSM controlling and intercepting the OoA behind the scenes (mostly). It could be argued the ODSM is attempting to “hoard the light” spoken of in the book.

@mumumusings – Let me ask you in return. What is the OOA? What is the OSDM? After all of this time, do we know anything concrete beyond what they’ve told us? How do we know that the OOA isn’t just a glorified human trafficking ring with a cult front?

You advocate a surgical approach, but can you even clearly define where one entity begins and the other ends? Can you even identify what any of it is? For all we know, and have been told REPEATEDLY, this is all a lie. What if none of it, OOA, OSDM, Gatekeepers, Light, all of it is true? What proof do we have that any of this is anything more than a giant honey pot to lure us in?

How can you be surgical in the dark?

Is the OOA the disease? Or the ODSM?

If it’s the latter, shouldn’t we take a scalpel and remove it as cleanly as we can to ensure the infection doesn’t spread?

Or will you believe the entire body to be infected and that to save it, it must be destroyed?

@mumumusings – I think there is still good within the OOA. I think there are people inside who remember the way it was and want to keep the traditions. The thing is though, the “OOA” name is soiled now because of the OSDM and BoS. So while the entire organization may not be bad, the name is bad. I feel like it needs to be destroyed and built up again and post a fancy new “under new management” sign on the front door.

I think of it like this…if you have a favorite band and after a few records, they change members and change style but keep the name….is it the same band that you knew and loved? No, it’s just a name…a brand at that point. If the old members of that band created a new band, under a new name, and played music that made you like the original band in the first place, wouldn’t it be better to “destroy” the first band name and follow the new one?

Like you @lukasrl, I also support all the scared and shaking within the walls of the OOA. And, this Addison Barrow you support is the same one I support and will assist in any way I can. The difference is, I also believe this Addison we support still exists today inside the Addison who was forcibly taken from us, screaming, and then allegedly reprogrammed to be deposited back into the OOA collective. I know she’s still in there. I’ve seen it with my own eyes and heard it directly from her mouth. I do have an agenda. My agenda is to offer support to those victimized and in need and to do what I can in good conscience do to stop the victimization of new targets. I am a member of BOS and this is what I believe, and I know I’m not the only one. Are we, The BOS, really so bad after all?

“Are we, The BOS, really so bad after all?”

Depends. Your motivations may be noble, but can you say the same about the shadow group that coaxed you to their side? How much do you really know about them?

@kasch: You’re right. Thus far I do believe my motives have been primarily noble, and one day I could realize I’ve been duped by those I’ve trusted and given my unfaltering loyalty. If that day ever comes, shame on me, and more importantly shame on them. I would not take this level of betrayal lightly or passively.

You know what they say about the road to Hell…
You’re in a unique position, @electrichippo. If I were in your shoes, I’d not only focus on the OOA, but pull on the strings of my own organization… especially in light of, um, recent events. 😉

Yes @kasch, I have gotten myself into a very unique position. My relationship with my organization has always been cooperative and I’ve been treated with respect. I don’t always agree with the actions of BOS and I’ve stated as such without sanction. I question, express opinion and offer suggestions and will continue to do so. I’m not sure which recent events you are thinking of, but the ones that most readily come to my mind do nothing but make my bond with BOS stronger. Vengeance has become a word that fascinates me. Everyone has a breaking point.

@electrichippo There must be a way to get to her. How can we help?

It’s very kind of you to want to help, @shinobi. I would suggest paying close attention during your visit to The OOA Institute next month. Don’t be afraid to investigate, ask questions or make verbal observations. You could go in cold, or you could do some research… whichever you feel will serve you best. Minimally, it’d probably be helpful to know the names and faces of the most noteworthy Indoctrination personalities (including The Barrow Family, and perhaps “Sentinel” or even The Gatekeepers). You never know when an opportunity to make a difference might arise. Any one of us could be the one to provide her with the assistance she seeks.

@electrichippo I am very familiar now. I’ve been reading and watching feverishly, obsessively. I felt heartbreak watching Addison come back to you all only to be taken away.

Though I do feel a certain draw to the OOA. There’s a real honest passion I see when 2 speaks. Sometimes it seems as though OSDM is really the problem. I don’t know right now.

I’ll certainly report back, but if there is anything I can do to help in the meantime, please feel free to give a shout. Cheers and thanks!