How do I even DO Ascension?

I definitely don’t think anyone is intentionally trying to break the game, I just think there is some confusion. When you are told very clearly to do one thing and then told by someone else NOT to do that thing, so you try not doing it and are then told you’ll be taken out of the experience if you don’t, where does that leave you? If you don’t have the freedom to do something that a character tells you to do, then why tell you not to do it at all unless it’s specifically designed to make you feel helpless. If it is designed to make you feel helpless, I understand, but that also sets you up to feel like you don’t actually have a choice. Again, maybe that was part of it. They did ask if we believe in free will after all.

Well that’s what I’m curious about – and I’m also not trying to break anything, I would never advocate for that in any way – I want to play with my choices and see what effect they have. Not having clearly written rules *might* make the experience better for some, but it does go against what the norm is for interactive/immersive theatre. All I’m wondering is, are the rules not clearly written for a reason? Things have to be intentional. They can’t just be because no one thought about it. If the conscious choice has been made to not clarify some rules – like, specifically here I’m talking about can we disobey orders, and what about when we are told to do things that go against those orders – then that’s fine. And, like I said earlier, it mirrors real life. We go through every day doing what we’re told, until someone decides not to. No one spells out the rules of every day life for us. I’m perfectly willing to embrace the vagueness – IF it’s a choice.

If it’s not a choice – that’s where I have issues with works art, pieces of theatre, etc. You can dismiss that if you want to just be having fun and enjoying the experience, and that’s fine. But when it comes, for me, to looking at something as art, as a piece of theatre, and discussing it in depth, this is part of the territory. Asking “why” is hugely important. For me, if it comes down to – there is no consistent internal logic, you can disobey orders one night and get thrown out but NOT get thrown out the next night…that’s a frustrating experience. I’m wanting to know if Tension rises above that. I had a very frustrating experience at Ascension and I have good reason to believe that there is MUCH MORE to it than what I walked away with. That the frustration was entirely my own fault. That I COULD HAVE disobeyed, and remained in the experience. So, I can look at it a few ways – 1.) “there are always choices,” as I was told, and so there are things I could have done that weren’t spelled out perhaps, and that lack of specificity is on purpose; 2.) the lack of specificity represents something that wasn’t thought about until audiences went in and were confused; 3.) I’m being personally fucked with, which is also on purpose, and given my life, highly likely.

So – yes – the lack of clarity MIGHT be a good thing, as long as it’s intentional.

And I’m not advocating in any way trying to break the script or scene. I’m saying “what happens if someone disobeys?” That’s not breaking anything, it’s just a choice. We were told at the start to choose A all of the time, but then occasionally some of us were told in whispers to choose B. What if we just straight up choose B? If there are paths to uncover via disobedience, we’re never going to find them until someone takes that step.

I’d say that it is wrong to look at Ascension being a continuation of Indoctrination, or anything that would answer questions raised in Indoctrination. Indoctrination provided a backdrop for Ascension, but the two were essentially unrelated from a details standpoint.

Indoctrination gave us an understanding of who Addison was, what the OOA is, and a number of other minor Easter eggs sprinkled throughout, but many of the questions raised in Indoctrination were left unanswered for now. The two were unrelated enough, for example, that in my experience the name “Gatekeeper” was not even mentioned.

Certainly not a complaint, I loved every part of it, but Ascension is a standalone experience, not a place to find answers for questions raised in Indoctrination

@thegilded so what did become of Addison?

@dimstyle – I suppose it’s not a spoiler, as it was hinted to at the end of Indoctrination and confirmed through all Ascension publications:

Addison is very much in the hands of the OOA. If any of her normal self remains, I didn’t see it.

I actually did end up having an interaction with Addison that left me feeling like some of her true self was still in there.

That’s good to hear, @summoningdark. I wonder if reaching the real her is one of those stories the creators said haven’t been unlocked yet. Watching Westworld the other day, the Man in Black kept talking about a deeper level to that game that nobody’s reached. Got me thinking about Ascension…

That’s an interesting thought, @shinobi I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a possibility. Now I’m also wondering if there are rooms within Ascension that no one has found yet. Just like there are apparently puzzles from Indoctrination that were never solved…

I can imagine the creators sitting at the monitors and every time someone gets close to a hidden path, they’re on the edge of the seat going, “Come on! It’s right there! Just find it!” Haha…

@summoningdark: I also encountered what I suspect is the real Addy Barrow. She seemed to like getting right in my space, but it was never threatening. She knew me, and she said things that would make sense to say to a person *like me.* I would imagine she said similar things to you.

Lol Dan, I’m picturing that now!

It sounds like we did have a similar conversation, @electrichippo. That interaction ended up being one of my favorite of the evening because it did seem triggered by the type of person I am.

I ended up with more questions.

I don’t think it’s wrong to look at it as a continuation but I never expected to have questions answered while I was in there. Obviously for someone not familiar with Indoctrination this event can still make sense without the back story but for those of us that have been through, I feel very much like it continued the story. Considering we had the periscope of Addison being forced into the shower and her red dress hung up and waiting for her the day before Ascension started. I agree though, overall it wasn’t meant to be a place for answers but I suspect there are some hidden around in there.

@dimstyle like everyone said its more of an “easter egg” sorta feeling, although many Indoctrination players did get some special experiences. As for Addison I was lucky enough to speak with her, and it raised more questions than answers as always 😃

The girls in white are the handlers, and yes, many of them have been trapped in the labyrinth for months. Rumor has it they are unable to leave, or are dragged back as soon as they do. The Overseer (she would rather not be addressed by former names) has been increasingly troubled and agitated ever since assuming her new role, so it sounds like you probably received and understood all the information you were supposed to.

Being haunted by what happened in there is normal – welcome to the club.

If you want further information on what is going on there, you can always return for re-processing. I can assure you that you will not have the same experience.

Some of the handlers…they asked me to save them. I wanted to and the screams of one, “Don’t leave us”, are echoing in my brain…

I have decided to return because I cannot just leave them there.

So we have young women kept there against their will and begging to be rescued? Old people trying to get word to the families they’ve been kept away from? And people still think the OOA is a good place? What the hell is wrong with you all?!

There is nothing wrong with me @blondiecamps, my allegiance to the OOA is unwavering. I took my time with my decision and it brought me into the light.

My time with The Overseer and all that she showed me made my _path clear as day. It is a path that isn’t for everyone. When you’ve been held in the arms of some of these people, when you felt the power of The Overseer and have been washed in her grace… it felt like home. You must travel deep into the rabbit hole before finding the light. Sometimes that journey is dark and difficult. As she shared with me and Jake, truth is subjective. Not all our paths are the same, some of us are destined to belong in the OOA. Some of us will rise among them, with her.

Praise Anoch and Glory Be!

I have a request I’d like to make. Please respectfully consider this.

Given that Indoctrination is now over, we are in a lull waiting to see what the next phase of all this will be (which could be a long ways away), and tons of new people are coming to the site every day and being introduced to the community, can we cease with attacking one another? We don’t even know if there will be a purpose in the narrative for it in the future and until we know, let’s just put a hold on it. I’m not saying don’t be OOA/don’t be BOS, or even don’t be passionate about it – but please, please stop aggressively going after those who disagree.

In fairness, I don’t believe that either side meant this as a real, honest attack. I agree with trying to avoid directed real hatred but, at least from my point of view, the BoS vs. OOA war at this stage is mostly just playful jabs between people

In fairness, it’s only a request to be considered. “Playful jabs” don’t read as such to everyone over the internet.

I absolutely agree with the cessation of any sort of uncalled for personal attack. I think I erroneously thought that you were telling @blondie and @halfbloodfangirl and by extension anyone else who would want to argue the finer (or cruder) points of the BoS vs OOA conflict that they should stop entirely.

Until we get anything new, I rather enjoy seeing the two sides fight, posture and jab, and I know I’m not alone. As long as we keep it all civil, of course. “What the fuck is wrong with you all!?” seems a fair question for both sides to ask each other.

What I said was born out of frustration and a desire for an explanation of something I am struggling to understand and so maybe my tone was a little accusatory… By no means a personal attack on anyone in particular, I don’t think that’s ever been my style, but you’re all free to disagree 😉 Neither did I take @halfbloodfangirl‘s response as an attack, I welcome her perspective as someone on the other side who has been through Ascension. No-one seems to have any answers for me at the moment so I will wait and see what happens when I walk through the doors into the OOA…

@blondiecamps…

You may not get the answers you seek when/if you are able to make the journey. I can understand why you’d find it frustrating. Unfortunately, none of us can share our decision to why we chose to follow or reject the OOA without sharing details of the experience. It wasn’t until my second time that the my path became so clear. And, I’m not sure how much it’s altered for everyone who’s attending a second time. I would love to have a chat with someone out of game, away from the boards in private who went through a second time but also wasn’t involved as deeply and for as long as some of us have been. If there’s anyone out there on the boards who fits that, please message me. I don’t know how much they change the narrative. My experience was deeply personal because of who attended with me and the circumstances. I am also aware of another pair’s experience and their experience was similar with personal touches like my own.

I do look forward to discussing openly about all of our experiences once Ascension is over. I think many of us will have a moment to share that will be unique.

You’re so fucked.

<3

That’s such a reassurance.

Hey, I added a heart, that’s the international symbol of “I know you’re gonna love it BB”, right?

Seriously though, that man is fucking screwed.

So excited! Hope I get screwed sideways!

Wait…that came out wrong. (Or did it?)

@kasch I’m so excited for you. It was the most epic experience I’ve had. My life has been touched in way I’m unable to share right now. The magnitude though that they’ve gone through…

In Morgan’s words, you’re fucked. 😉 Bwahahaha

But it can’t all be that bad when I’m now trying to fit in a third time. Oh wait… That’s right, I’m a bit of a masochist. 😈

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If what the others have said is true, I think we’ll all need to do another bar meet-up soon just to decompress all over again.

I’m sure the OOA is going to relish every moment of our re-processing.

@kasch @reaton @thegilded

Your minds will be blown. I think when it’s all over we should all get together and share stories. We’re all going to have something to share from round 2. The first visit, our experiences were, for the most part, similar. It was the second visit that we will have differences. I can’t share yet how they messed with me. And, it was personal AF. So my experience will be unique.

I’m guessing there will be some who go once more. I’m debating it right now and may do it the final weekend.

We are seriously all going to have stories to tell that will be won’t be the same or similar. I know I would love to hear how everyone’s repeat visits were different and how did the characters interact differently with all of us. There’s one character in particular that I’m curious about.

When are you going? I’m going for round 2 next Friday, myself

Honesty is the best policy…

A nice platitude but what if I am honest about a thought or a feeling that isn’t socially acceptable? Letting it all hang out sounds liberating until people don’t like what hey see or hear. Or is it liberating?